tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post4026692380236911383..comments2024-03-19T05:32:22.066-04:00Comments on HyMark High Spots: Rye Contamination In WheatEd Winklehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07299533401041542458noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-42113055110465334482013-05-13T11:39:53.783-04:002013-05-13T11:39:53.783-04:00I was raised on Belgian comics, like Tintin and As...I was raised on Belgian comics, like Tintin and Asterix the Gaul.<br />This one is called La Zizanie in French:<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix_and_the_Roman_Agent<br />So I had to look it up. But the expression "to sow zizania" is quite common.<br /><br />You are the one responsible for triggering these memories! ;)<br /><br />First came Matthew's Parable in Bible school as a kid, but didn't look it up until after studying farming. Met ergot around that time too, I was cataloging all plants with a possible usage since a teen, and that included plants with psychotropic effects, even though I never consumed shrooms or even pot.<br /><br />By the way, you were saying gardening is the best gift you can make to your kids and grand-kids, but Tintin and Asterix and Lucky Luke really build up a family (and national) culture too. Even today, I still use arcane expressions that were born in these comics and are immediately understood by most French people. Captain Haddock has a range of dozens of almost politically correct expletives like "waffle iron" that would delight any kid too.<br /><br />Tintin: The adventures of a reporter and his friends, fighting against oppression and illegal trades.<br />Asterix: The adventures of a Gaul and his village at the time of the Romans. Great way to learn about the Roman culture, even translated into Latin!<br />Lucky Luke: The adventures of a cow-boy and his horse in early America.<br /><br />I own full series of most other Belgian/French comics too, they are unlike anything else in the world, including American comics, with great drawing artists but great stories too.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Belgian_comicsChimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08601975288198239103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-66592172933624139042013-05-11T13:58:20.227-04:002013-05-11T13:58:20.227-04:00Chimel, your post is excellent, too. I did not kn...Chimel, your post is excellent, too. I did not know that per se but what you wrote makes good sense. <br /><br />How do you find all of this stuff?<br /><br />EdEd Winklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299533401041542458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-36047362475650464152013-05-11T13:56:10.105-04:002013-05-11T13:56:10.105-04:00I think I would rather have rye than that in my wh...I think I would rather have rye than that in my wheat flour too, Brad!<br /><br />Good post.<br /><br />EdEd Winklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299533401041542458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-32254940217989506412013-05-11T10:52:44.725-04:002013-05-11T10:52:44.725-04:00http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/Guidanc...http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulatoryInformation/SanitationTransportation/ucm056174.htm#CHPTA<br /><br /><br /> <br />WHEAT Insect damage<br />(MPM-V15) Average of 32 or more insect-damaged kernels per 100 grams<br /> Rodent filth<br />(MPM-V15) Average of 9 mg or more rodent excreta pellets and/or pellet fragments per kilogram<br />DEFECT SOURCE: Insect damage - preharvest and/or post harvest and/or processing infestation, Excreta - post harvest and/or processing animal contamination.<br />SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic<br /> <br /> <br />WHEAT FLOUR Insect filth<br />(AOAC 972.32) Average of 75 or more insect fragments per 50 grams<br /> Rodent filth<br />(AOAC 972.32) Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 50 grams<br />DEFECT SOURCE: Insect fragments - preharvest and/or post harvest and/or processing insect infestation, Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta.<br />SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08845731523408663367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-88473321374290655492013-05-11T10:45:25.687-04:002013-05-11T10:45:25.687-04:00Yep, looks like the thread is about rye-grass, not...Yep, looks like the thread is about rye-grass, not rye.<br />Rye-grass is probably the "tares" weed mentioned in Matthew.<br />http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13%3A24-30&version=KJV<br />The generic French name of the species is also the name used in the Bible, and gave us the words "enivré" and "inebriated" (from the same Latin root), from the slightly toxic seed of the darnel weed.<br />Even if plain rye-grass, not darnel, it is sometimes infected by a fungus that is slightly toxic to cattle.<br /><br />There is still a common expression "to separate the wheat from the tares" in French, from the same Matthew parable, but somehow it changed to "chaff" in English.<br />The Greek name for darnel persists in another French expression "to sow tares" ("semer la zizanie") meaning to sow discord, and in the genus name for wild rice, zizania. Funny biologists...<br /><br />Rye is not welcome in wheat because of its susceptibility to the highly toxic ergot, which hippies said in the 60-70s has an effect similar to LSD, called St. Anthony's Fire since the Middle Ages.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot<br /><br />So, rye-grass or rye, none is welcome in wheat.<br />No possible confusion in French, rye is "seigle", "rye-grass" is "ray-grass", probably imported and "Frenchisized" together with the British perfect lawns.Chimelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08601975288198239103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-76780139265158771742013-05-11T10:41:17.501-04:002013-05-11T10:41:17.501-04:00The FDA has tolerable level of all kinds of bad th...The FDA has tolerable level of all kinds of bad things..<br /><br />The Food Defect Action Levels<br /><br /><br />Wheat flour Insect filth Average of 150 or more insect fragments per 100 grams<br /><br />http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Food_Defect_Action_LevelsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08845731523408663367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-50565106662309262182013-05-11T08:15:54.848-04:002013-05-11T08:15:54.848-04:00From another friend in MO. HHhhmmm Unsure how ...From another friend in MO. HHhhmmm Unsure how safe it is. Only hope it is safe. Variety unstated, and blends will get some in trouble. Safest way I know, don't use it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6975161130020685883.post-18745537960850856342013-05-11T07:08:08.109-04:002013-05-11T07:08:08.109-04:00From a friend in Missouri, "It is a concern b...From a friend in Missouri, "It is a concern but remember there is Italian Ryegrass, Tetraploid annual ryegrass, and diploid annual ryegrass. The safest to use as cover is "Bounty" annual ryegrass a diploid. No telling which of the 3 the original poster or subsequent posters have w/out more info. The gents in the south probably have either Italian or Tetraploid as they have been used in the south for forage." <br />Ed Winklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299533401041542458noreply@blogger.com